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Sep 15, 2011, 08:37 AM // 08:37
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: England
Guild: Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]
Profession: Mo/W
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Your upset, understandably so. Unfortunately PvP is never ever gonna get active again to what it once was, and from reading ur posts in general i presume you play during the asian timezone? At which point your basically screwed anyway. Its really not suprising that nobody plays during that timezone, anet deleted the asian server. Nobody wants to play competitive GvG/HA with 400+ ping, because you simply cant compete. Circa 2008/2009 when the last of the asians did still play, they couldnt play decent builds anymore and basically had to just run around spamming hexes cos their ping was so bad, not fun for them, or for anyone facing them. No suprise they stopped playing  There is no solution to the issue, by this stage its a problem that cannot be fixed, but the best advice for anyone is to just play the AT's. All 3 AT's are somewhat active, you'll get at least a couple of games, and usually entering ladder an hour before/after an AT will get u a few more games. The AT times are fairly well spaced across a 3hour time span during the week in each timezone, so as to allow all players the chance to play at least 2-3 per week. The american AT's run at around 9-11pm(?) EST, earlier for pacific players, the euro ones are between 8-10pm GMT, and the Asian ones are at about 9-10pm(?) Australian time i think, the times are pretty good, and do cater for most players who want to get involved. Last edited by floor; Sep 15, 2011 at 08:40 AM // 08:40.. |
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Sep 15, 2011, 10:05 AM // 10:05
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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- People are syncing HA everyday from 2 am until 11am GMT. Once they stop, the format is completly inactive... Besides, you can't win halls because the second account team ganks you... thus, noone is bothering playing the format - I did enjoy doing C AT's.. but let's be honest: it's all top50 players doing it.. B AT is just 5 rounds with the 2-3 same guilds everyday and is just too much time wasting.. which means some guilds aren't bothering neither - AB/Codex are empty I just want to point out that this would be cool if random formats were cool.. but unfortunately they aren't at all because of abusive metas... I might look like QQ'ing a lot about inactivity, but if you played the game on those hours, you would notice that there's someone complaining in local chat in every PvP outpost.. People just aren't arguing on forums because they know devs aren't playing the game and won't do anything.. Actually if HA/GvG quests were permanent on week ends, then at least we would have 2 days per week where we could do stuff and play a bit more ... You know, having a quest on tuesday is doing exactly nothing Last edited by Missing HB; Sep 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM // 10:08.. |
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Sep 15, 2011, 04:04 PM // 16:04
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: England
Guild: Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]
Profession: Mo/W
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I agree with you, but hey, next weekend will be champ weekend http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Weekend_events
so at least you will be able to get loads of games + champ points if u care about them. Unlike the last gvg weekend which came directly after the ladder reset (very retarded), so ppl might bother to play this one since theres like 90 or so guilds in the 1200+ range 
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Sep 15, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: vin
Profession: W/Mo
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Missing HB,
PM me, I shall play with your team if I am around. be the team good/bad, I shall stick around. my activity in game has reduced significantly. IGN in your inbox. ---------- When i get no one to do pvp with, I do 4v4 gvg with friends + brother. If you dont have enough ppl take hench. You can split/run flags etc. Aim is to kill lord. Thats a good form of PVP too. |
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Sep 16, 2011, 01:01 PM // 13:01
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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-There will be tons of players syncing ( or doing RR) on bottom of ladder for factions - Although i doubt it a lot, there will be few 1200+ rating playing So, still no mid- range fights... To have maybe more obvious activity, they should just have made double strongboxes and give less factions for fast wins... because then everyone ( syncers included) would play around 1000 rating... |
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Sep 16, 2011, 03:35 PM // 15:35
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Unbridled Enthusiasm!
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: EST
Guild: DPR
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Sep 18, 2011, 12:21 PM // 12:21
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: England
Guild: Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]
Profession: Mo/W
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I think you might be suprised, im anticipating pretty high levels of activity from top 50-100 guilds over champ weekend. For the rest of the ladder, probably not, as double balthazar faction is a pretty poor incentive to play. In fairness though, its relatively straight forward to get to 1200 rating, just play a spike or split build with tons of defence, and kill some stuff, u'll be up there in a week or two np i'd guess. Quote:
On the other hand, most people generally have no idea which teams are smurfs, and which are not. The enormous volume of cape leechers around these days, who all then go and guest for random guilds makes people believe they are facing a smurf almost every match. Me and some friends started a new guild 3-4 days ago, we're almost champ range by now, and have yet to face a single smurf (confirmed by the fact that between us we know 99% of the GvG population). Most people see cape leechers or 1-2 guests and start screaming OMG SMURF almost as if its an excuse for losing a match.... Very rarely are actual smurf guilds seen in play anymore, people would do well to realise this. People understanding that a guild with 2 guests is not a smurf would also go a long way... Its exactly that, a guild with 2 guests, im sure the people who complain cant honestly sit there and say they have never ever made use of the guest facility to bring in a good player or two?? |
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Sep 18, 2011, 01:50 PM // 13:50
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Unbridled Enthusiasm!
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: EST
Guild: DPR
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In other words....there is only 1% ladder activity of an already underpopulated format? I wasn't assuming in my statement. I know of at least 30 smurf guilds that ppl I've played with have used. Over the course of many years it's hard to miss the in's and out's of a game. I might be assuming a bit here...but in one sentence aren't you admitting to just starting a smurf guild?
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Sep 18, 2011, 05:15 PM // 17:15
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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I got to completly disagree on this... I played all afternoon with 4 henchs due to quest on quite low rating, and the only thing we faced were generally smurfs..
Upon about 4 hours : - we fought 0 henchways, yes 0 - 0 team of PvE'rs - 2 teams with people who were obvious beginners Hold on, i'm not saying any team not corresponding to that is directly a smurf... I generally call smurf a guild where i see at least 5 guests or players i know from top150( considerin that's what we usually face on AT's).. Probably, you don't consider some r90-100 players good because you're used to higher ranks... but that's not the case for every players...( for me, this makes no diference as if on starcraft 2 4v4, u faced bronze team having 1 bronze guy and 3 master guys in team....) There should then just be a GvG outpost to pug people to make it fair for everyone.... An other issue, off topic though is the joke strongbox/grogs system... really, this 5mn wait requirement is just a joke as opponents usually resign before due to this meta... Also : i guess top guilds playin MAT need to practice somewhere, as there are usually no matchs on ladder.... |
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Sep 22, 2011, 01:28 AM // 01:28
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: May 2008
Location: In a house
Guild: Proof Of A Nets Laziness[HB]
Profession: A/W
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Also I think he meant that smurfing/pugging is essential but 99% don't do it either way which I find hard to believe since [AmeN] and [wtf] are laddering on smurfs pretty much daily. |
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Sep 26, 2011, 12:09 AM // 00:09
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: England
Guild: Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]
Profession: Mo/W
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The only possibly somewhat misinterpreted part of my previous post, is that smurfing is not directly necessary to maintain ladder activity, although pugging/guesting definitely is. There is pretty much a difference between smurfs and pugs, that a lot of people dont see, or simply choose to ignore. PUG teams (or ones with lots of guests) are exactly that, a lot of ppl who just group together in order to play, this sometimes happens to be a lower rating, sometimes it will be in a higher one, just depends who the group of friends are, and which guild happens to have 2 members in it so that playing is actually possible. On the other hand, smurf teams are guilds who are purposely playing at a lower rating than they perhaps ought to be, with either the intent of testing new builds vs less difficult opponents, or more likely just beating the crap out of bad people for fun. Pretty much a form of griefing i guess. Fortunately, a lot of the so called smurfs are actually pugs, just random guilds with a lot of guests forming up to just play the game, sure they might be good teams but they dont intentionally play to beat the crap out of you, they just enter to play guild wars. Unfortunately, a lot of people dont realise this, see 1 guest, scream SMURF!, get mad cos they lost and log off. Guesting is important cos its the fastest way for guilds to learn stuff, by guesting top players to point out ur mistakes. Fighting against guilds with lots of guests is also good because you actually get to test urself against more skilled opposition, learning from ur mistakes if/when you obs the games back (i bet very few ppl bother to obs matches they lost back anymore and see what they did wrong). Sadly nobody rly cares about improving anymore, ppl just want to enter and win, and if they lost, then ofc it must of been a smurf.... For the record, ive done over 100 GvG's this past week (i nerd this game a lot), ive faced AmeN a couple of times, and KvZ once. 3 smurf teams out of 100 odd games, not too bad. All these ppl who claim to face 10 smurfs every night, i'd love to know exactly who these so called smurf teams are lol
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Sep 26, 2011, 06:51 AM // 06:51
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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2-3- The problem is that the game, especially due to meta, has turned into " who has the best monks"... Obviously, if you make a fight between 2 teams of " low level", one having monks from [tD], we both know who's going to win... And here i come on your third point : you don't learn anything being carried by top monks... Good/Bad Monks is a problem i'm actually experiencing for 2 years... And reversly, you don't learn enough by losing to the same top guilds over and over because you don't have any worthy opponent to test what you learned... |
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Sep 27, 2011, 08:19 AM // 08:19
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: England
Guild: Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]
Profession: Mo/W
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The potential is always there to learn from guests, doesnt matter if they are monks or frontliners. The important thing is that they actually speak and bother to tell you whats going wrong. I play monk, and if im guesting for a bad team, i'll still tell them to spread out, use shield sets, you can tell whos got the wrong armour on, you can call some tactics if you like. To call big plays you dont have to be a frontliner, anybody in the team can call, doesnt really make a difference. Theres always a lot you can do for the team ur guesting for, and a lot they can learn if they open their ears and actually hear what your saying, and then remember it, and re-apply it later.
The answer to the whole 30-3 thing i dont know for sure, although i can speculate that a lot of them are invoke spike guilds, some are dead/failed guild reforms, some will ofc be smurfs and others who just pug a lot and abuse the guest system. I might be wrong though, but i would also imagine that for a somewhat competent team, 30-3 stats are not unthinkable, as ladder by nature is generally a lot easier than tournament play which is where the big boys hang out so to speak. A team with 30-3 should also be nearing champ range, so i'd assume they wont directly affect the lower reaches of the ladder which is mostly where this discussion is aimed i thought. Whilst i do sympathise with ur point of view about the number of top player pug teams, in my own experience of laddering with friends guilds at rank 200-400, 90% of our match ups are against relatively similar standard guilds. High ranked teams or much lower ranked casual and henchway teams arent that often seen, maybe 1 or 2 out of every 10 games. Although this is ofc just my own experience of playing during euro hours. Outside this timezone the ladder is even more dead so i can only assume the problem is exaggerated further. Your final point i agree with in part, but not wholey. If you face the same top guilds over and over again, then you should really be learning from your mistakes and gradually improving, whilst this wont be an immediate process, and likely not even one for the medium term, there is far more potential for self-learning from games that you lose, rather than in those that you win, because you're forced to adapt and operate outside of your comfort zone. The issue here though is that probably in order to learn things, teams need to be stopping after matches that they lost and obsing it back (at the very least you should obs 'some' of the games u lose...). Peoples mistakes at a micro level, such as a monk getting power blocked 10 times in a row (as a side note this is my own personal biggest failing, i eat a whole lot of power block ><) or a fire ele tanking all damage on a 40/40 set. Or bigger problems such as team strategy and cohesion, Should you have flag pushed more? Did we react wrong to their split? Would it have been better if we did this? Why did we let them kill our flagger with 3 guys? There is always a lot to learn in defeat. People who refuse to obs games back and better themselves by asking simple questions as above, shouldnt really complain about losing to good players, because they themselves have no aspirations to improve personally. Unfortunately a lot of players would rather just hit enter battle again, try again and make the same mistakes, and continue to cry about smurfs, rather than actually getting better. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread [AmeN] as one of the "top" teams, i dont think they would mind me saying that certainly 12 months ago, they were far from the top, they've just played a lot of matches as a team, and clearly improved a hell of a lot, especially in the last 3-6 months. With the right mindset, reaching the top is never impossible. My current monk partner for example joined us from a rank 500 guild, hes only gvg'd for about 6 months or something, and now hes in the top 20-50 and playing well, its just having the right mentality and willingness to learn, mixed with a bit of luck and actually being noticed by a guild somewhere along the line. Oh and also, assuming you are a guild of a lower rank, facing top guilds repeatedly seems highly unlikely. Certainly during the peak euro hour, which is basically the only possible time to play ladder anyway, there are enough teams laddering around the 1050-1150 rating mark in order to get some decent match ups. Teams outside of this range will by default get excessive unfair match ups due to the relatively small number of guilds playing at their own level. Seeing as you cant face the exact same guild twice within either 6 matches or 24h, whichever is first, (i think this is right, but citation needed) its also impossible to face the same team over and over, just for the record. Unless ofc they keep swapping guilds just to purposely farm you, which seems like unecessary griefing and highly unlikely. Last edited by floor; Sep 27, 2011 at 08:41 AM // 08:41.. |
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Oct 08, 2011, 09:46 AM // 09:46
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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Well it seems that i was wrong about Heroes Ascent quest on week end... I had several restarts in burial so i went to do something else, and now i'm back 4 hours later and i see my mate is still there waiting...( i might be told it's RA week end, but is it really fun to just camp 40/40 set as ele and spam 123456, as player or opponent... i don't think so...)
I'm probably boring with heroes, but i'm pretty sure that's then the only way to be able to play on these hours... Basically, one guy logs in the district, see 7 afk dudes and goes away and that's it for hours and hours... |
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